Thoughts regarding the nat-com at-large election

The Boston Tea Party was founded on a platform of "reducing the size, scope and power of government at all levels and on all issues, and opposes increasing the size, scope and power of government at any level, for any purpose." Strict adherence to this platform is the most important thing we must consider when voting on party business of any kind. The next thing we must consider when voting is what will be best for the growth of the party and success of its candidates.

We are in the process of electing a candidate to the vacant seat of at-large member of the National Committee. The three candidates are myself, Neil Kiernan, and Michael Shanklin. With the BTP's approval voting system, members can select all candidates they approve of, whether it is one, two, or all three of the candidates in this election. It is your duty as a BTP member to vote at http://bostontea.us/node/889 for all candidates who you approve.

While talking to other members of the party about this election, I have shared my personal criteria for a national committee member, so now I would like to share it with you all. I came to this criteria during the party's second convention in 2008, shortly after I joined the party. A national committee member always votes first with the party's platform in mind, then considering the welfare and growth of the party. A national committee member, especially an officer, is a non-polarizing figure who will work to represent the membership. He/she will not serve personal interests or let personal conflicts with other members overcome their ability to represent the party and serve the committee.

While he was serving on the national committee, Neil Kiernan repeatedly got into personal conflicts with other party members. The arguments often escalated to the level of personal insults and threats. These took place on the national party web site, the btpnc-talk forum (for communication between general membership and the committee), and on one occasion the btpnc list (the list reserved exclusively for discussion of national committee business). As the party's chair, I had to mediate between Neil and other party members through these occurrences, and had to ask more than once for the personal attacks to be kept off the nat-com board. On some occasions, Neil has posted blog posts at bostontea.us deliberately to embarrass or provoke other members with whom he has personal conflicts. He has also used public forums such as the Independent Political Report blog to criticize BTP members and display what an embarrassment he thinks they are to the party.

Is this behavior acceptable for a member of the national committee? It certainly does not meet the criteria which I believe we should seek in our national representatives.

I do not write this post because of a personal dislike of Neil Kiernan or any feelings toward the caucus that he has created within the BTP. I welcome his continued membership in the party, and the membership of others within the RBE Caucus. However, I do not feel that Neil is fit to serve on the national committee, and I hope that the membership will consider his record before voting to approve him.

Comments

exposingneil:

This is all standard behavior for Neil. He has burned every bridge he has ever built including ones in role playing communities!

http://tinyurl.com/2epbquw

He is a notorious liar, fraud and user! He has never told the truth in his life.

inDglass:

I will be discussing this matter further on Todd Andrew Barnett's show, Liberty Cap Talk Live tonight. The show is from 11PM to 1AM ET at http://tinyurl.com/22mrns4. I will be on from about 11:30 to Midnight ET.

VTV:

I hope you will also bring up that Todd Barnett ALSO instigated and participated in everything you just listed there. And far worse. Yet you don't advocate him being removed for the committee? Interesting.

inDglass:

Actually, Neil, many of these issue were between you and Jim, and did not involve Todd at all, so do not try to pin it all on Todd.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Instigated my ass, Stephenson. Participated? Yes, but only because those events were largely YOUR doing. But Jim Davidson was MORE involved in those events than I was, and you two were clashing more than we did.

Don't pull this "It's-All-Todd-Barnett's-Fault-and-I'm-The-Angel-with-the-Halo-and-Wings" crap. You won't be earning any brownie points for that.

You instigated this entire matter that we're dealing with RIGHT now. And you're participating in it as much as we all are. And yet you're throwing a hissy fit because you and your Penis -- I mean Venus -- Project buddies were scrambling to get you re-elected to a seat that you've never cared about and didn't do a goddamn thing with. So please spare me and everyone from your unadulaterated b.s., ok? You got that, Neil?

You neither bothered nor cared to vote when you WERE on the Committee, and you were online during the times when Committee votes were needed. Yet you never did a damn thing. Oh sure, you made a few votes here and there once in a blue moon, but that was largely it. You were NEVER, EVER consistent at all simply by the sheer fact that you didn't vote more than half the time while you were on the NatComm, and whenever you did vote, your voting was hardly consistent anyway.

Please spare us the histrionics and get your facts and perspective in order for once.

VTV:

FYI, Todd, this is you actually proving my point that saying that I am not fit to be on the committee while your on it now is absurd at best. This post and the other ones you have made recently prove it succinctly.

You got that, Todd?

At least you didn't have to lose an election and then hide it to get on the committee this time.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

"FYI, Todd, this is you actually proving my point that saying that I am not fit to be on the committee while your on it now is absurd at best."

Let's get a few things in perspective here, Neil.

Point One: I didn't prove A point of yours, nor have I proved _ANY_ of your points. You proved nothing to me, except that you need some reading glasses.

Point Two: What I stated on the record here is factually correct. Your record as an At-Large member to the National Committee has been a disaster, not to mention a joke. You NEVER, EVER authored resolutions, you NEVER, EVER engaged in legitimate Party business, and you NEVER, EVER did anything constructive for the interests of the Party, except for your own. So, please spare me the pathetic lecture that you threw back at my face, considering that a technocratic state socialist such as yourself is too effed in the head to completely understand how moronic, out of touch, and insidious your ideas are. Let's not forget that they are, more to the point, OUT there, and I mean REALLY out there.

And, finally, Point Three: I am ON the Committee because I have proven myself to be worthy on this Committee, Neil. You haven't. And I'm not the only person to have said this. Jason Gatties has also said this about you. So has Doug Gaking. So have a number of prominent members of this Party. You insult me by saying that what I have said is "absurd at best." Not only that, you insult not only my intelligence, but the intelligence of every single individual member of this Party, with the notable exception of those who have rallied to your cause.

So, please, as John Stossel once said on his 20/20 specials, "Give me a break!"

"This post and the other ones you have made recently prove it succinctly."

This post I made and the other ones I have made do NOT, have NOT, and will NEVER, EVER "prove it succinctly," because there is NOTHING to prove. You made a b.s. accusation - a libel if you will - alleging that I instigated the nonsense in 2008. Your memory has holes in it as usual. The bulk of the arguments you've been in were ones made by you and Jim Davidson. Half of the arguments were between you and me, but you attacked my integrity and person. To be succinct here, Neil, you made many ad hominems at me without ANY basis of fact in them whatsoever. Oh, and can we say a bunch of straw men to go with that while we're at it?

"You got that, Todd?"

I got that, pendejo. I read you loud and clear the first time.

The question I have for you is: do I look like I care?

"At least you didn't have to lose an election and then hide it to get on the committee this time."

Once again, you keep spinning that same old lie, which has no legs to stand on. Give it up, Neil. No one's buying, not even your own broker. That old, tired ship has sailed, dude. I debunked that spin of yours a few threads back, and I'm not going to rehash it for your amusement.

Face it, Stephenson: you're damaged goods. Even for a technocratic state socialist such as yourself, that's not good for you.

VTV:

Todd, your a liar.

You knew full well you lost the previous election for secretary, you admitted it on IPR.

http://bostontea.us/node/615

Good luck trying to debunk your own words. The link to the IPR post in question is provided.

You failed to win the election, and you knew it. And rather then speaking up you let us hold another one. Something we did only because supposedly it was not clear if you had lost or not. Davidson participated in voter fraud then. And again recently.

YOU KNEW you had lost.

And I don't care what way you want to try and re-write history. You took part in all of that stupid nonsense between me and Jim pretty much non-stop. If I have to I will dig up all of that for you again. Since your memory seems to be selective. (Actually I am sure you simply outright lie, but that's to be expected.)

You have never been anything but a whiny little bitch who has resigned from this party like a dozen times when things got too hot for you. You have been a total failure, and the only reason you even have allies now is because some of the members of this party are willing to put principles aside to prevent my caucus from having any voice at all. It's pathetic and sad. But corruption is fairly typical in politics. If the leaders of this party had any actual ethics they would of removed you when you revealed you had known all along you had lost that election.

Or when you thought you could take it upon yourself to remove me from the committee of the BTP of Michigan as if it was your own little club. Or when you are now trying to say I will not be allowed to join it after you "resurrect" it. What a joke.

I seriously laugh out loud when I think of a "freedom party" allowing someone like you to decide who gets to be on a committee all by yourself. Or who gets to be part of a state affiliate at all. That is the sort of totalitarian authoritarianism that you supposedly are fighting against.

But it's OK for Todd to be a little tyrant when he gets his butt hurt. Pathetic.

VTV:

Oh yeah, here it is:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/02/boston-tea-party-resta...

This is your concession speech that you later deleted after you lost the election to NOTA.

"Dear Fellow Boston Tea’ers:

Due to the fact that I’m losing my bid for the BTPNC Secretary spot
and that it is clear that more people in the Party do not wish to have
me as a secretary representing the interests of the party member base,
I am officially dropping out of the race as of 4:33 A.M. EST, Saturday
morning.

Considering the membership decided not to nominate other candidates
(after all, what else am I suppose to believe at this point?), this
race has become a laughing stock in itself. If the membership wants
NOTA to win, that’s fine, but the voting turn out suggests that those
who voted do not want me in that seat due to their personal axes they
have to grind with me and their own political agendas (whatever they
may be). Fair enough, I suppose. It is what it is, and I accept it. (I
hate to sound paranoid about all of this, but what other choice do I
have at this present point in time?)

I wish to thank Jim and Darryl for nominating me and seconding me.
Perhaps I should have turned down the nomination, but at the time it
seemed like the right thing to do, and no one else was stepping up to
the plate.

I wasn’t really — and realistically — expecting to win this anyway.
It is pretty clear to me that I won’t be on the NatComm again. Oh well.

The seat is now unfilled. It will remain unfilled until the next
convention, which is sad because it is a clear-cut sign that the BTP
is falling apart at the seams.

I will return to doing what I best — occasionally blog and enjoy
life. That’s what I seem to be best at anyhow.

To those who did vote for me, thank you for your support. To those who
voted against me, you’re getting what you want: a vacant seat on the
NatComm.

I hope it was well worth it to you.

And now we all return to our regularly-scheduled programming.
Submitted by Todd Andrew Barnett on Sat, 02/14/2009 – 03:40"

AND THIS quoted from comment number 199 at IPR from YOU!

"The first poll was a disaster. It went on longer than it should have, and technically I lost that election at the time when the poll should have closed but didn’t."

Again, your a liar. Good luck debunking that.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah!

Seriously, Neil, this is becoming tiresome, even from you. Give it up! Doug corrected me on the timeline too (I forgot about that until he brought it up). I still maintain my opinion that I technically lost up until the votes I got enabled me to win the Secretary seat. Even if the poll was supposed to close, I ended up winning it.

By the way, Neil, an illegal immigrant named Paola and I want to have a threesome with you. She'll pay for the hotel with the welfare money she got after she crossed the border.

lol

Psyche!! :D

inDglass:

4:33 AM on a Saturday isn't remotely close to the time that the poll in question was supposed to close. Again, you have no evidence that the results of that election were fraudulent. I was going to say that, at best, you had an argument for Todd's behavior being unethical. However, now that I look at Todd's message and the timeline, you don't even have an argument for that. Now that I think about it, I think I remember telling Todd that he was mistaken about the timeline and there was no indication that he ever lost. That would explain why he deleted the post. Your case is fleeting, not that the argument is even relevant anymore. Give it up and move on.

VTV:

Bullshit.

The reason he deleted the post is because Davidson asked him not to concede.

Then Davidson started calling us Stalinists for not wanting to count votes that took place after the poll should of closed.

The case is not fleeting. Even if you were somehow right, he believed he lost the election, and then stayed silent about it until after he got another shot at winning against nobody. His admitting to losing it on IPR proves that.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Isn't it interesting, Doug, that he's the ONLY person in this Party who's making these baseless, bald-faced lies about me and has no evidence indicating that I lied? Yet I made my case about the fact that I didn't know I was technically losing until after the poll closed? When I say "technically," I mean that I was losing up until after the poll (which didn't close) and I got the votes needed to win it.

He maintains that Jim told me NOT to concede, which is false. Jim did no such thing. And yet it's ONLY Neil making these allegations. If Neil were telling the truth, why hasn't more than half the membership of the Party backed him up on it? I mean, seriously man!

The idea that I had an obligation to speak out and say something about it is absurd on its face. I have no obligation to do such a thing, yet Neil insists that I do. That is the mentality of a spinmeistering statist progressive.

Not only that, Stephenson is totally psychotic and off his rocker. Sanity has neither been his best friend nor his strong suit per se.

inDglass:

Todd was mistaken about the timeline, and I told him that. You have no evidence of fraud, and not even evidence of Todd doing anything unethical.

I am done with this argument, as I feel as if I keep repeating myself, and it is a waste of time to talk with someone who does not listen.

inDglass:

I did not advocate anyone being removed from the committee.