The Venus Project vs. Fundamentals of Economics

The Austrian economists base their study of economics on praxeology, which is human action. The Austrian school is based on fundamental truths that explain how humans act and interact. To create a society based on anything else requires manipulation or coercion.

The society envisioned by the Zeitgeist Movment is a resource-based economy without money. One of the fundamental truths of economics that Rothbard and the Austrians write is that every resource is scarce, so every resource has value. Money is used to exchange value. Money allows a fair distribution of labor, with each person specializing in a particular type of labor. A free market is a highly efficient system that occurs naturally.

The Venus Project system, a resource-based economy with no money and largely automated labor is unnatural. It is an end which would require, at the very least, a state-like system to achieve. Rather than seeking this utopian end, we should seek to dismantle the state and allow natural economic forces to lead us to the most efficient and peaceful economy possible. The end result of this process could include many of the Venus Project's ideas, but it would likely result in a much different model. I also don't see how it could end with a society without some form of money.

Comments

exposingneil:

Get a job and provide for your kids for once you welfare queen!

mzero:

well let's see, since all of the outdated industries in the area are belly up, perhaps he could get a job as a lifeguard. Where do you work and could you then send him an application for employment or maybe they put a freeze on your butt now too. I know, why doesn't he enlist for the services and go fight an illegal war and kill people, he could then and only then get a chance at a furthered education. An education that will help to build machines that will eventually replace you in your supposed job. Let me guess, your a nail technician and a hairdresser.

Gee, he's got so many options, doesn't he?

Synergy011235813:

Two of the main assumptions of the free market strategy are:

1. Competition promotes excellence, and;

2. Incentives are an effective (and mandatory) means of motivation.

These assumptions have been the focus of many studies throughout the past few decades. The findings? Competition and incentives are effective, but only when the task is straight forward. Tasks that require critical thinking and creativity are undermined by both, and the studies have bore this out consistently.

In fact, several studies strongly suggest incentives not only to be ineffective for such tasks, but to be responsible for a severe decline in interest of the task required. I will assume I need not even go on about the detrimental effects of a selfish, competitive mentality.

Today we are seeing a shift in occupations. Straight forward occupations are disappearing, and will continue to dwindle as automation displaces the workforce. Pretty soon, virtually every occupation will be of the type that requires some form of critical thinking or creativity (the many fields of science, engineering, computer programming etc.), occupations undermined by incentive systems and competition.

Resources:

You are correct in your observation that resources are limited. However, the linear production, senseless consumption and wasteful disposal model encouraged by modern day capitalism for sake of profit is certainly less sustainable than the cyclical model TVP advocates.

Rather than rant on and on about the endless list of negative effects of capitalism on resource depletion, resultant pollution and waste etc., I'll cut right to the chase...

1. We have the technical means to produce an abundance of food. (hydroponics, aquaponics, aeroponics, vertical farming etc., etc.)

2. We have the technical means to produce an abundance of clothing and housing materials.

3. We have the technical capability to recycle virtually everything produced, to minimize and eventually come close to a virtual end to the extraction phase. (plastic sorting bots like the following would be of great use: http://smart-machines.blogspot.com/2010/03/plastic-sorting-bots-to-save-...)

4. Future development of nano-technology from already existing, forward thinking companies such as the Institute for Molecular Manufacturing (http://www.imm.org/) will help put an end to resource scarcity.

Negative Effects of Money:

The "Merva-Fowles" Study, done at the University of Utah using data from 1976-1990 for 30 major metropolitan areas in the United States, with a combined population in 1990 of nearly 80 million people, found powerful connections between unemployment and crime:

Their findings found that a 1% rise in unemployment resulted in:

a 6.7% increase in homicides;
a 3.4 % increase in violent crimes;
a 2.4 % increase in property crime.

Based on the 1990-1992 data this translated to:

1,459 additional homicides;
62,607 additional violent crimes (including burglary,
aggravated assault, and murder); and,
223,550 additional property crimes (including robbery,
larceny, and motor vehicle theft).

Their findings found that a 1% rise in unemployment also resulted in:

a 5.6% increase in death from heart attacks
a 3.1% increase in death from strokes

Based on the 1990-1992 unemployment rate, this resulted in 35,307 more heart attack deaths and 2771 more stroke deaths. They also found that those unemployed had a much higher likelihood of high stress, alcoholism, cigarette smoking, depression and the consumption of less healthy diets

In other words, monetary deprivation is one of the most prominent root causes of most crime and is detrimental to physical and mental well-being.

As long as you have money you will always have a wealth gap, those who have and those who have not. You will always have corruption in many forms, companies large and small cutting corners to make or save more money (whether it be via pollution, displacement, planned obsolescence, cheap products, etc). You will always have scams, theft, etc. And on...

Technological Unemployment:

This may have been easy to shrug off several years ago, but it's becoming hard to ignore now -- despite the virtual silence in the mainstream media. The occupations created by the displacement of the workforce by automation will continually net less and less job opportunities than the ones they displaced. A global unemployment crisis is right around the corner, at the point at which automation becomes cheaper than outsourcing.

Some sources to explore at your own leisure on the future prospects of automation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z8TR4ToNs -- A clip from a lecture by automation expert Marshall Brain, founder of the popular technical website HowStuffWorks.com

http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm -- Part one of a 3-part series of articles by Marshall Brain. A more in-depth justification for his position on the prospect of technological unemployment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ST1TO6fQv8 Part 1 of a 9 part series of assorted video demonstrations of automation prototypes.

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The above constitutes a very short summary of just a few of the reasons I see TVP as a more reasonable long-term solution.

inDglass:

There are a lot of topics here, so I'll just pick one to discuss for now...

Having the technical means to do something does not make it practical. Have there been economic studies conducted on hydroponics, aquaponics, aeroponics, vertical farming? Often, technologies that are sustainable are efficient. Another problem is that the investment required may not translate to an increased output. This is what has held back wind and solar technology. While progress is being made toward improving those, it is slow-going. Even with government subsidies, sustainable energy technologies are struggling to develop. This is where "incentive," or profit, is important. An investor studies a new technology and determines whether or not it is profitable. He takes a calculated risk in making any investment, so he wants to know that the odds are in his favor. A visionary may have great ideas, but if those aren't checked by determining profitability, waste occurs. Investments are made, but returns don't result. Whether or not you have currency or corporations, the people invest in some way. They invest labor and other resources.

In TVP world, how do they determine that the return will match the investment? How does an idea find investors? Who decides what level of return or timeframe of return is acceptable?

Synergy011235813:

You're right in that -- within a monetary system -- many alternative energies are not cost effective, and that is why we aren't seeing them come to fruition. If more funding went to R&D of sustainable alternatives, we would see progress a lot faster in terms of efficiency. The problem, it seems, is that there isn't as much money to be made in wind, solar etc. as there is with cheap oil and their favored alternatives, the frauds of commercial biodiesel (good on a small scale, bad on a large) and hydrogen power. Why do they wish to stick with the less sensible alternatives? Cyclical consumption is my guess. With oil you get gasoline, which has to be bought perpetually to run our cars. What happens when everyone starts building their own efficient solar panels, windmills etc., and harnessing their own energy, and using that harnessed electricity not only to fuel their home, but their electric car as well? There isn't hardly as much money to be made in such an alternative, and that's a problem.

If wind energy was fully harnessed in just 3 U.S. states it could meet the needs of the entire country, according to a study done by the U.S. National Renewable Energy Laboratory published on February 6th 2007. A 2005 Stanford University study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research found that if only 20% of the wind potential on the planet was harnessed, it would cover the entire world’s energy needs (http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/winds/global_winds.html).

This is to make no mention of the potential of tidal (could supply 34% of the UK's energy needs alone -- http://www.bwea.com/marine/resource.html) and wave power (estimated to have a global potential of up to 80,000 TWH a year, or 50% of global annual energy use according to the following two sources: Future Energy Solutions / IEA report, 2003 & World Consumption of Primary Energy by Energy Type and Selected Country Groups , 1980-2004, Energy Information). Corrosion is an issue with the above options, of course, and methods continue to be refined; however, these are by no means the only other alternatives.

You may be aware of the 2006 MIT report on Geothermal Energy that determined that 13,000 zettajoules of power are currently available in the earth, with the possibility of 2,000 zettajoules being easily tap-able with improved technology. This would be a great grid alternative and has vitrually endless output potential based on the fact that the total current energy consumption of all the countries on the planet is about half of a zettajoule a year. However, I would favor more localized alternative energy methods as the priority.

I also found this solar option very interesting, recently published in Popular Science: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-06/environmental-visionaries-... Although, that's a bit more into the future.

Essentially the issue here is this -- we have the resources and the technical know-how to make this a reality right now, but the only obstacle is money. Imagine the turmoil that would result from the frictional unemployment caused by the phasing out of the monstrous oil industry (which will happen eventually whether we like it or not). Whether the alternative energy sources would fill enough jobs to match those displaced is unknown, but what is certain is that they won't net as much profit as oil.

To save length here are a few resources on alternative farming methods from reputable sources:

Vertical Farming: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=growing-vertical-skyscr... (unfortunately you have to pay for the full article... frustrating. I have the original magazine issue.)

Aeroponics: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/technologies/aeroponic_plants.html

Efficient Hydroponics System: http://www.omegagarden.com/ (admittedly not the most reputable source being that it's their product, but it's worth looking into)

In the recent (first ever) TZM newsletter, NASA engineering contractor and space buff Douglas Mallette wrote a pretty inspiring article on the idea of starting a community-type movement (similar to the Earthships concept [http://earthship.com/]) of constructing automated, energy independent, hydroponic gardens to feed communities (http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/July2010NL.pdf -- page 3).

That's just off the top of my head.

I think I'll stop there. I hope I am making some kind of sense here. I sincerely apologize for the length, but it's a complex issue -- as I'm sure you are aware.

inDglass:

I highly recommend reading Murray Rothbard's Man, Economy, and the State, which overviews economics, begingin with fundamentals of human action and expanding into exchange, production, competition, money, and more. You can read it online at my site.

Synergy011235813:

I am familiar with the book, but haven't read it personally. Thank you for providing the link. I will add it to my list of books to read.

VTV:

The natural direction a free market ends in is with cartels.

inDglass:

The idea that resources are not inherently scarce, but are made scarce already contradicts basic economics. Monopolies, of course, do make resources more scarce than they would be otherwise. However, monopolies are not possible in a free market. People will always be able to innovate ways to compete to meet demand. Monopolies are only made possible by the state.