The Resurrection of the Boston Tea Party of Michigan (BTPMI)

As of tonight, I am resurrecting the Boston Tea Party of Michigan (BTPMI). I will be contacting Mike Saliba and see about resurrecting the Party there. Considering Jason Gatties is dropping out of LP and BTP politics and has decided against merging the BTPMI with the Natural Law Party of Michigan because it's been taken over by socialists, it's up to me and Mike to resurrect the Party.

I am looking for people who live in Michigan who are interested in joining the BTPMI. This will have to wait after the At-large vote.

Anyone from the Wolverine State who wants to help me bring back the BTPMI, please contact me. Plans are to consider a petition drive to get ballot access for Michigan, which will be expensive.

Anyone from Michigan (and not Neil Kiernan Stephenson) who is interested, please see me and we'll talk.

Comments

inDglass:

A point of clarification on Todd's message:

Jason Gatties is not dropping out of politics. I do not know all the details of whether or not he intends to hold onto ties to the BTP or LP. He hasn't shared those specifics with me. It's not really my business or the business of anyone else with whom he has not shared that information.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Doug and to the entire BTP:

I want to make a second point of clarification if I may.

Point One: I did not say that Jason was dropping out of politics. I said that he was dropping out of LP & BTP politics, which is exactly what he told me. He may continue to be political independently or perhaps in the two-party system (honestly, I shouldn't be saying that, because I don't know what he's going to do, and I can't read his mind and don't know what his plans are).

Point Two: I don't know if he plans to stay in the Party or intends to be active. I haven't discussed this with him, but I'd rather not because it's none of my business.

Point Three: I don't know if he plans to stay in the LP, but again that's none of my business. It's his choice. I can't tell him what to do anymore than I can tell the sky not to rain.

And finally, I'm done with this clarification. Take it as you will.

jasongatties:

Thanks Douglas. I'll speak on a few things real quick.

1. The NLP of Michigan/BTP of Michigan merger was something I was hoping to work on in private (which just became public, which I'm not thrilled about), but the NLP group as a whole didn't want to go in that direction. That is their right, my personal opinion aside. It was an idea I had that didn't work out. Not sure that needed to be mentioned here, but it was. I'm a forgiving person, so I won't dwell on it.

2. Although I do not plan to be involved with the BTP (I haven't been involved in nearly 2 years now), I do wish everyone the best of luck & I hope the Michigan group can obtain ballot status, because that's very important to me & I would always volunteer to gain signatures for this or any liberty minded group.

3. I've had my share of disagreements with Todd, but he is very passionate about liberty, which is something I respect. If you are from Michigan, please contact him. This would be the year to get organized, that's for sure. Many frustrated Americans are looking for a place to turn.

Take Care Everyone.

Jason Gatties

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Well, Jason, you never told me not to reveal the details of this merger, even if it NEVER panned out and EVEN after we had our last chat on Facebook. You never said anything to me about keeping a tight lid on this.

To be perfectly honest, I wasn't thrilled with the idea of the merger to begin with, even if we could use their ballot access. I did, however, go along with it because you convinced me that we needed their ballot access if we were to get anywhere with this vehicle. So, despite my misgivings about the whole thing, I had to put my personal feelings aside and agree to it....reluctantly. Yes, we did talk about the possibility of a merger with the NLP of Michigan, but that didn't seem to go anywhere.

Plus, the fact that their party didn't have a platform and that their candidates had their own platforms was, has always been, and will continue to be a red flag raiser for me. Sorry, my friend, but I wasn't really on board with that idea. I just couldn't really bring myself to get behind it. As I previously hinted, I wasn't ecstatic about it.

I'm sorry you're not getting involved in the BTP, and I can say that Neil's effed-up, whacked-in-the-head nuttery has been a doozy on all of us. And the sad fact is -- he's quite good at it. He's lied to me, he's lied to you, and he's lied to all of us about his libertarianism. And yet he calls me "a liar."

I hope the BTP of Michigan does obtain ballot access status. Contrary to what Neil says about me and his claim that I'm "a liar" and every word that come out of my mouth is "a lie" (because that's his job of a collectivist and a spinmeister, he's got plenty of axes to grind with me, and he's the biggest liar of all), I'm not going to lie to anyone. It's going to be expensive and time-consuming. It's going to take blood, sweat, and tears to get this done. I never claimed to be an expert on this, which is why I'm asking for help to get this Party started.

I was the one who wrote the BTPMI bylaws. Neil didn't. But you and Mike Christenson II did approve of them. I don't recall if Neil did, but whether or not he did is immaterial. He's unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

That's all I'm going to divulge at this point. Thanks for your service to this Party, Jason, and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

VTV:

Right. Because you think you can just arbitrarily deny anyone you wish party membership? I keep forgetting what an idiot you are. Then you remind me. Like the time you thought you could simply remove me from the committee of the BTP of Michigan because you didn't like me, even though I had done nothing wrong so far as the party.

Between that stupid act, and you willingly fraudulently becoming the Secretary last time around you have proven to have no ethics whatsoever. It absolutely disgusts me that some people will support you regardless of this. It's people like you willing to make corrupt decisions under the guise that the ends justify the means that are why Free Market Capitalism can never work.

Todd Andrew Barnett:

Neil:

Even though I am an At-large officer on the National Committee and THE founder of the Boston Tea Party of Michigan affiliate, I will be speaking to you and ONLY to you ONLY in my capacity as a member of the BTP and not as an officer of the organization.

I need NOT justify my actions and my decisions to you. The reason I mentioned your name in my blog post is that I have ZERO interest in reviving the Party with YOUR help but ONLY with the help of good people like Mike Saliba and possibly Mike Christenson II. It is my prerogative and my right to do so; therefore, you have NO right to tell me what I can and cannot do. (Once again, you have proven to me what a vile sophist you really are.)

I'm the "idiot" here, Neil? The REAL idiot here is you. If you want to be a member of the Boston Tea Party of Michigan, you are free to do so. I won't deny you membership in my party. But I'm not going to be your best friend either. Just because you think you can act like a complete jerk and a jackass, not to mention an ungrateful prick, to me and to the people here in Michigan does NOT mean you have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY party. It's MY party, Neil. Not only is it MY party, it's the Party of those who wish to be in it. What they choose to do with it is ENTIRELY up to them.

Who the hell do YOU think you are? Hmmmm? You think you're better than me? You think you're better than anyone in this Party? You think you're always right? Well, think again, Neil, because you're not. I NEVER, EVER claimed to be a saint, Neil, but NEITHER are you. You're not exactly as clean as a frakking whistle yourself, Mister.

As for my election to the Secretary seat, I need not to rehash it. I made my case, and I stated it countless number of times. (Here are two examples, case in point: http://bostontea.us/node/866#comment-11 and http://bostontea.us/node/866#comment-13.)

You keep making bullshit lies about me, posting comments I made that indicate nothing that would indicate that I lied. You keep making the claims, yet you post my comments and take my words out of context and spin them to suit your own political needs and agenda.

The only reason Neil has an axe to grind with me, people, is because Neil told me in private (in a Gmail private chat under his Gmail addy at leveer@gmail.com) that he wanted to punch Jim in the face. He advocated the initiation of force against Jim, and I told Jim about this. I thought Neil was crazy to do that. That's when Neil turned on me, and began to attack me because I "betrayed" him. Jim needed to know what Neil said, and that's what started this entire vitriol against me.

Neil is like an ape. He reminds me one of the apes from the opening scene of 2001: A Space Odyssey (the old Stanley Kubrick movie). In that scene, you see a bunch of apes arguing over who and what to kill and what to eat, and if an ape jumped on another ape's territory, they'd "go apeshit."

Doesn't that remind you of Neil in any way? It does to me.

Oh, and Neil is also a prejudiced bigot against immigrants. Considering he was against Program Point 5 (which I co-authored at this year's convention that just wrapped up) because of the missing welfare point in it, he's against illegal immigration. Thus, he holds racial animus towards independent migrants.

Yup, Neil is a xenophobe, a nationalist, and a jingoist. How about that?

I realize I'm making an accusation against Neil, but there's a difference here: he has said this:

"You had me till the last one. We cannot ask the citizens of the united states to pay for welfare for foreigners. I do not hate any race or people, however if they do not pay into the system they should not be able to take out of it." (URL: http://bostontea.us/user/53)

Sure, he says he does not "hate any race or people," but that's just a lie, and we all know it. If he weren't a bigot, he wouldn't have brought it up. However, he doesn't have a problem with the current welfare system that ONLY applies to Americans yet he's against welfare for "illegals" who can't get welfare if they have fake Social Security numbers. Not that I'm for welfare for anyone, but this mentality that we must protect the welfare state from the "illegals" because it's their fault suggests that we must scapegoat the illegals and not the state and the system that it protects.

I bet you don't have a problem with Joe the Plumber, who at a Tea Party rally in Cincinnati, Ohio on Tax Day this year, telling a crowd full of 10,000 white angry Republicans to mow down a bunch of them "illegals" as a solution to the "problem" of "illegal immigration." Hmmmmm?

I suppose not.

Well, Neil is an idiot. He's like a progressive version of Eric Dondero, only stupider than Dondero. And, as much as I hate to say, that's a sad commentary right there, because I can't stand Dondero because he's an idiot and because he's a Republican.

Well, I can't stand Neil because he's a progressive Democrat and he's more of an idiot than Dondero.

As Doug correctly notes, I have my faults, but I'm not the corrupt, vile person that Neil paints me to be. He has written libels against me and has has made personal insults and attacks on my character. As someone who is suffering from diabetes and hypertension, I should sue the hell out of this dude for his b.s. But considering I don't have the money, I will ignore his crap, as he's not worth the time, energy, and spit to lose any sleep over him and his bullshit, baseless allegations against me.

Isn't it interesting that it's ONLY Neil making these allegations and not other members of the Party? I find that VERY interesting.

That's all there is to it. And that's all I have to say to Neil and about Neil.

inDglass:

Todd did not say he would deny party membership to you. He said he wanted people other than you to talk to him about rebuilding the BTPMI.

As the chair who administered the election which resulted in Todd's position as secretary on the national committee, I am offended at your suggestion that he acquired the position fraudulently. If you had evidence of the sort, you should have brought it forth in an appeal to the national committee, as Tom did regarding the recent convention election for nat-com at-large. You did not appeal Todd's election, so you must not have had evidence of fraud. I would appreciate that you not attack my reputation with these false allegations.

VTV:

There is your evidence. Evidence I brought up publicly more then once on this very website in blog posts, and on IPR. I am astounded you missed it. He confessed it IN HIS OWN WORDS.

The fact that the committee sat there and let it happen was bad enough.

VTV:

Doug, EVERYONE knew he had fraudulently become secretary. Were you somehow not paying attention?

Reposted from another thread:

Todd, your a liar.

You knew full well you lost the previous election for secretary, you admitted it on IPR.

http://bostontea.us/node/615

Good luck trying to debunk your own words. The link to the IPR post in question is provided.

You failed to win the election, and you knew it. And rather then speaking up you let us hold another one. Something we did only because supposedly it was not clear if you had lost or not. Davidson participated in voter fraud then. And again recently.

YOU KNEW you had lost.

And I don't care what way you want to try and re-write history. You took part in all of that stupid nonsense between me and Jim pretty much non-stop. If I have to I will dig up all of that for you again. Since your memory seems to be selective. (Actually I am sure you simply outright lie, but that's to be expected.)

You have never been anything but a whiny little bitch who has resigned from this party like a dozen times when things got too hot for you. You have been a total failure, and the only reason you even have allies now is because some of the members of this party are willing to put principles aside to prevent my caucus from having any voice at all. It's pathetic and sad. But corruption is fairly typical in politics. If the leaders of this party had any actual ethics they would of removed you when you revealed you had known all along you had lost that election.

Or when you thought you could take it upon yourself to remove me from the committee of the BTP of Michigan as if it was your own little club. Or when you are now trying to say I will not be allowed to join it after you "resurrect" it. What a joke.

I seriously laugh out loud when I think of a "freedom party" allowing someone like you to decide who gets to be on a committee all by yourself. Or who gets to be part of a state affiliate at all. That is the sort of totalitarian authoritarianism that you supposedly are fighting against.

But it's OK for Todd to be a little tyrant when he gets his butt hurt. Pathetic.

Oh yeah, here it is:

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2009/02/boston-tea-party-resta...

This is your concession speech that you later deleted after you lost the election to NOTA.

"Dear Fellow Boston Tea’ers:

Due to the fact that I’m losing my bid for the BTPNC Secretary spot
and that it is clear that more people in the Party do not wish to have
me as a secretary representing the interests of the party member base,
I am officially dropping out of the race as of 4:33 A.M. EST, Saturday
morning.

Considering the membership decided not to nominate other candidates
(after all, what else am I suppose to believe at this point?), this
race has become a laughing stock in itself. If the membership wants
NOTA to win, that’s fine, but the voting turn out suggests that those
who voted do not want me in that seat due to their personal axes they
have to grind with me and their own political agendas (whatever they
may be). Fair enough, I suppose. It is what it is, and I accept it. (I
hate to sound paranoid about all of this, but what other choice do I
have at this present point in time?)

I wish to thank Jim and Darryl for nominating me and seconding me.
Perhaps I should have turned down the nomination, but at the time it
seemed like the right thing to do, and no one else was stepping up to
the plate.

I wasn’t really — and realistically — expecting to win this anyway.
It is pretty clear to me that I won’t be on the NatComm again. Oh well.

The seat is now unfilled. It will remain unfilled until the next
convention, which is sad because it is a clear-cut sign that the BTP
is falling apart at the seams.

I will return to doing what I best — occasionally blog and enjoy
life. That’s what I seem to be best at anyhow.

To those who did vote for me, thank you for your support. To those who
voted against me, you’re getting what you want: a vacant seat on the
NatComm.

I hope it was well worth it to you.

And now we all return to our regularly-scheduled programming.
Submitted by Todd Andrew Barnett on Sat, 02/14/2009 – 03:40"

AND THIS quoted from comment number 199 at IPR from YOU!

"The first poll was a disaster. It went on longer than it should have, and technically I lost that election at the time when the poll should have closed but didn’t."

Again, your a liar. Good luck debunking that.

VTV:

Oh yeah, further on him trying to "remove" me from the BTP of MI committee. He decided to say I could be on the committee on a "probationary" basis, as if he had the right to remove me in the first place, let alone assign me probation.

You are either intentionally ignoring his faults, blind to them, or incompetent for failing to see them.

inDglass:

I am not ignoring Todd's faults. I am well aware of what his faults are, as I am of yours. I have no interest in taking sides in any of these matters. If you look at most of my comments on these various threads, I am clarifying facts or asking for evidence. I am calling people out for saying something that isn't backed up. That's it. At this point, I am done even trying to do that. There is no point, because after I call you out for issuing a false accusation, you simply keep doing it. I'm done.

VTV:

http://bostontea.us/node/530

This is the first time he tried to deny me membership.