The Tom Knapp Party or the Boston Tea Party?: The Follies of the BTP
In the last few weeks, the Boston Tea Party wrapped up its 2010 convention with a run-off election because a couple of candidates vying for the National Committee's At-Large member spot officially lost their race to the party membership's choice of NOTA.
Shortly after the closing of the convention, when the At-Large election ended, the candidate with the lowest number of votes -- that being Neil Kiernan Stephenson who had an approval vote average of 8-6 (57%) -- lost his bid for re-election to the At-Large wing of the National Committee. Two well-established Venus Project members who went by the names of Rion Ametu and Matthew Wagner (whose names of whom neither former BTP chairman Doug Gaking nor I heard) respectively accumulated both 67% of the approval vote (8-5 votes) for the National Committee, resulting in a tie. The details for that can be found here.
The run-off election that was held afterward featured three choices on the approval ballot on this site: Rion Ametu, Matthew Wagner, and NOTA. After being held for a consecutive day, the poll resulted in NOTA winning 58% of the vote (7 votes), beating Matthew Wagner's 42% (5 votes) and Rion's 0 votes (0%). The results for that can be found here.
From that point on, the fourth At-Large seat was unfilled. While the large majority of the Party membership did not vote during the Convention and the vote turn-out during that entire week was dismal at best, this led to an abysmally low voter turn-out at the run-off election poll. Not only that, much to Neil Kiernan Stephenson's chagrin, the vast majority of the BTP membership did not even remotely consider filling the seat because of the lack of political interest. That is, until the Party's founder Tom Knapp intervened with his objections with the run-off results by appealing to the election.
Tom objected to the run-off election on several grounds:
- The bylaws mandate that the National Committee members be members of the Party. Why? His reasoning is that the option for None of the Above (NOTA) on the ballot for At-Large and on the run-off election ballots does not qualify as a member of the Party.
- The bylaws mandate that the candidates running for the At-Large positions on the National Committee must be nominated, seconded, and accept the nominations for those bids. Under Tom's uncanny reasoning, NOTA was not nominated, seconded, and did not accept the nomination for the spot.
- National Committee members, working with the tools they had in their possession, did the best they could to carry out the elections. After all, the bylaws mandate that "an election of at-large national committee members" must be underway.
and finally,
Let's deal with these objections on a point-by-point basis, beginning with my first objection to the first one.
Tom says that the option for None of the Above (NOTA) is ineligible as a candidate for the At-Large position because it isn't a valid choice, as it is NOT a member of the Party. After all, only party members are eligible for running for those seats. NOTA is excluded, as he wants us to think and believe.
Well, I can honestly object to his appeal on that ground for a few good reasons, but let's start with the first one. For one thing, when he penned the original bylaws upon forming the Boston Tea Party, Tom included this section in Article 8: Officers, section c of the Party's bylaws, which he neglects to mention in his post:
c) Prior to the beginning of the Party's organizational convention, and during the first 90 days of the year of each subsequent regular national convention, notice of elections to these offices shall be published on the Party's web site and nominations shall be opened, to be made through the appended comments form. All candidates who are nominated by two or more members of the Party, and who accept the nomination (also through the comments form) prior to the opening of the convention shall be listed on a poll on the Party's web site as soon as practicable after the opening of the convention, with one poll for each office to be filled. This poll shall include the option "None of the Above" (hereinafter referred to as "NOTA"). [Emphasis added.] This poll shall run in 24-hour cycles. At the end of each cycle, if any candidate has polled a majority of voting members, he or she shall be declared the winner of the office. If no candidate has achieved a majority, and if NOTA has likewise not achieved a majority, the poll will be renewed with the candidate receiving the fewest votes on the previous iteration removed. [Emphasis added.]
Then Tom also incorporated this provision under Article 9: National Committee:
c) Prior to the beginning of the Party's organizational convention, and on January 1st of the year of each subsequent regular convention, notice of the election of at-large National Committee members shall be published on the Party's web site and nominations shall be opened, to be made through the appended comments form. All candidates who are nominated by two or more members of the Party, and who accept nomination (also through the comments form) prior to the opening of the convention shall be listed on a poll on the Party's web site. The poll shall remain open throughout the convention and end with the convention's adjournment. The method of election shall be "approval voting" -- each voting Party member may cast votes for all nominees whom he or she deems acceptable, and the four nominees who poll the largest number of total votes shall be elected. In the event of a tie, all nominees to whom the tie is applicable shall submit to a random selection process chosen and administered by the chair, with the Vice Chair and Secretary attesting to the fairness and honesty of results of said process.
Notice anything interesting in these two provisions in both articles? NOTA is allowed for National Officers, but NOT for the At-Large officers. In other words, NOTA qualifies in a run-off election for either Secretary, Vice Chair, or Chair, but if it's an election that involves At-Large seats, sorry, that option doesn't and shouldn't apply. NOTA can be nominated, seconded, and can accept the nomination under Article 8, but strangely enough it can't do so under Article 9.
In other words, Tom wants his cake and eat it too. It doesn't bother him or faze him that NOTA is legitimate for the Officers portion, but it's not when we're dealing with the National Committee. After all, this is illogical, nonsensical, unfair, and a clusterfuck, given that the Chair, the Vice Chair, and the Secretary ARE part of the National Committee as well.
To make my point, Tom is responsible for screwing up the bylaws. He's at fault for incorporating an unfair electoral system, because it forces voting delegates at Conventions and party voters in run-off and special elections to choose candidates that the voting block don't want because they are not worthy of the offices for which they are running and given that NOTA should either apply to ALL offices of the National Committee or it shouldn't apply at all. But if Tom is going to make a half-assed, lame argument that NOTA does NOT apply to National Committee members serving as At-Large representatives, then it stands to reason that the same argument should apply to National Officers such as the Chair, the Vice Chair, and the Secretary.
Now Tom would argue that the membership in 2006 could have modified the bylaws before passing them. That's true. The membership, including me, at the time could have done that. But none of us noticed that inconsistency in the bylaws at the time, not until when it became an issue after this year's Convention. How were the members supposed to know in foresight that this was going to be a problem? What, do they have a crystal ball? Are they psychic? Of course not! If anything, Tom could have warned the membership about the inconsistency at the time this was going on in 2006, but he chose not to. That's on Tom, not the membership. Tom, if you are reading this, OWN it! Take responsibility for this and concede that you could have avoided this problem by either not including NOTA for all offices or including it for all of them. Saying that one half of the offices can have NOTA and the other half can do without it is seriously and terribly unfair and insane as far as I'm concerned.
Here's my objection to his second point.
Tom says that NOTA is NOT valid for At-Large members of the National Committee of the BTP because they were not nominated, seconded, and it did not accept the nomination for this election, as stated in the bylaws. Well, the bylaws may say that, and that may be the ruling policy of the Party, but that bylaws mandating that is unfair. As a matter of fact, that should be amended in the 2012 BTP Convention via the Bylaws Committee. (I plan to head that Committee then, and I intend to offer a bylaws change that will incorporate NOTA for all offices. People can also offer a bylaws amendment that removes NOTA altogether and force the members to accept candidates for all those positions, whether they are truly qualified for and worthy of those seats.)
Plus, Tom's argument outside the bylaws is simply ridiculous. According to its very own bylaws, the Libertarian Party allows party delegates and voters to choose NOTA if they object to and reject candidates running for President, Vice President, Party Offices, and all At-Large offices. Why should that equal choice NOT be valid for At-Large? Why should we be denied that choice? The LP does it. Why can't we? Does Tom really want to force the membership to accept a candidate JUST for the sake of accepting a candidate in order to fill an unfilled office? What if the Candidates for At-Large who lost in the run-off had a run-off election without NOTA? What if one of them won? Do we really want a Venus Project member whose ideas are vastly in stark opposition to the Party's platform? Do we really want that for our Party?
I don't object to Tom's third point, as he is right about the NatComm handling the election. I agree with him on this. On the first two, I don't. It is what it is.
Finally, we come to my point as to whether or not this is the Tom Knapp Party or the Boston Tea Party. Tom has been a big disappointment in the Party, given that he's had a tight leash on how this Party has been running. There were times when he was right and times when he was wrong. In this case, he was in the wrong for advocating this appeal. While it is his right to appeal to the run-off results, I don't agree with his reasoning behind it. He's right that the bylaws say these things, but he deliberately set up the bylaws this way, which has resulted in this controversy over the At-large seat.
If Tom objects to this, he could have helped us out during the Convention week when we needed him. No, he decided to focus his efforts on the Libertarian Party's National Convention in St. Louis. On the eve of the National Convention, he told me, Doug Gaking, and Jim Davidson in a private chat that, after the LP convention, he was making that his last hurrah. That turned out to be a really big joke, now didn't it?
I know he's left the Party a couple of times in the past because he didn't want the Party to be labeled with his name on it, as if it's all about him. But he has made it all about him in a way. What the membership needs to understand is that this Party is more than about him. It's about the members in it.
Tom was even willing to go so far as to dissolve the Party. Over what? Because the appeal poll initially failed to win? Because it didn't please him that the appeal went the way he wanted it to? He complained that the national committee decided NOT to remedy the ordeal and that the membership is wrong to decline to force the Committee's hand into solving the "problem." Well, the interest in the seat was NOT a high priority on the members' list. If it were, doesn't Tom think that many contenders would have gone after that seat immediately and the National Committee would have gladly moved and seconded a new election?
Interestingly enough, there's a current election going on at this moment. This is because our chairman Darryl W. Perry moved to open nominations for the seat, and I seconded it to resolve the matter without any pending further conflicts. That was after Darryl illegally removed his vote AFTER the run-off poll closed, which was in stark violation of the BTP bylaws, and he was excoriated by former BTP Chairman and Site Adminisrator Doug Gaking over that fiasco. (He later apologized, which is why he moved to open nominations to correct his mistake.) Tom, oddly enough, was silent on the matter at that point. But what does it matter? Tom got what he wanted, and a new election will end later at 3 p.m. EST. (If he did remark on it later, then I must have missed it because he didn't blog about it on here or on KN@PPSTER, or even post it in one of the remaining forum and blog post comments.
Now the election is at 60 votes. Neil may or may not win the electon that ends later today. If he wins, this will be on Tom, and the fault will lie on him for pushing this. He has basically said some unkind things about Mike Shanklin, the current At-Large candidate, and I know Mike very well. It has seemed to me that Tom would rather have Neil on the Committee than no one at all. I won't mind if Doug wins, but I will be more than thrilled if Mike wins. The way Tom has been talking, he sounded like he was just siding with Neil JUST for the sake of siding with him, not to mention that he agrees with Neil on the National Initiative for Democracy (NI4D) petition that those two were peddling a couple of years ago.
Regardless of how the election unfolds, the voters will have to decide: do they want Neil to win or do they want either Doug or Mike to win?
But more importantly, do they want this Party to be the Tom Knapp Party or the Boston Tea Party?
I hope they make the right choice. I really do.





Comments
VTV:
"Do we really want a Venus Project member whose ideas are vastly in stark opposition to the Party's platform? Do we really want that for our Party?"
First of all, you just flat out admitted that you are upset that the bylaws prevent you from denying someone the position because of the differences in your political ideology. In essence, you feel you should have the right to deny someone candidacy based on whatever differences you might have with them. This sir, is fascism.
Secondly, I have asked repeatedly yet none of you right Libertarians has stepped up to the challenge to answer my question: How does the Resource Based Economy Caucus platform stand "vastly in stark opposition to the Party's platform"?
You want to reduce the size and scope of government, so do we. In fact we want to eliminate it entirely.
The BTP platform makes no mention of free markets, capitalism, or the use of money. At all. Not once.
Now on to more of your issues:
"In other words, Tom wants his cake and eat it too. It doesn't bother him or faze him that NOTA is legitimate for the Officers portion, but it's not when we're dealing with the National Committee. After all, this is illogical, nonsensical, unfair, and a clusterfuck, given that the Chair, the Vice Chair, and the Secretary ARE part of the National Committee as well."
Once again I think you are being short sighted. So what happens if the membership chooses NOTA for EVERY position? This is quite possible. I guess it means that the BTP simply ceases to function? The reason your whining about this is you were hoping to leave a seat vacant rather then allowing someone who still wants to eliminate government who just doesn't follow the same method to get there from getting a seat. (And honestly, I think a lot of it is just personal BS and has very little to do with ideology. I mean I hope that so many supposedly principled Libertarians would oppose things like say, voter fraud? Oh wait, Davidson claimed not to of voted, then voted anyway. ON TWO ACCOUNTS! Then we all of a sudden decided to start closing membership during elections despite the fact that this was not done for any of the elections since I joined the party until the last convention. Including both of the elections you were in Todd. Including the one you lost. And then failed to mention you lost. I guess the ends justify the means right? We can simply corrupt the democratic process until we get the answer we want? Pathetic.)
More:
"How were the members supposed to know in foresight that this was going to be a problem? What, do they have a crystal ball? Are they psychic? Of course not!"
You keep talking about people being "worthy" to hold positions and all that. As a responsible member of the Nat Comm you should of known this ahead of time when you reviewed the bylaws. If you failed to do this blaming Tom is childish.
And even more:
"I know he's left the Party a couple of times in the past because he didn't want the Party to be labeled with his name on it, as if it's all about him. But he has made it all about him in a way. What the membership needs to understand is that this Party is more than about him. It's about the members in it."
You would certainly know about leaving the party a half dozen times or so.
Then you say things like you did in the last sentence about how the party is not about Tom, but the members in it. But you have a temper tantrum because he advocated giving the membership another chance to vote to fill a position? Dubious at best. Oh wait, I forgot. You only want the party to be about the membership if they happen to agree with YOU right? Fascism.
And finally:
"Now the election is at 60 votes. Neil may or may not win the electon that ends later today. If he wins, this will be on Tom, and the fault will lie on him for pushing this."
Yep. It will be all Tom's fault that the democratic process picked someone. And it will all be his fault that the membership picked someone other then the one you wanted. Fascism. Again.
It's funny that on one hand you uphold the membership when they produce a result you want. Then want to deny the membership when they give you a result you don't want. It's absolutely hypocritical, and in violation of Libertarian ethics for you to think you as a member of the committee should have the right to deny the majority of the membership another candidate if that is what they vote to do. Before you say "Well the membership didn't vote for that Neil!" I will point out that even if they had the votes which they were only missing one, you would of still been whining because you seem to think along with some members of the Nat Comm that it's the Todd Barnett party. You are complaining that there was a means for the majority of the party to overturn your decision that was made in the interest of political censorship. The corruption here is so disgusting. I have half a mind to simply run membership rallies and clean this party up for both right and left libertarians. I still have friends who are Free Market advocates who would do a fantastic job when compared to the bullshit that is going on here now. You said earlier in your post "The Libertarian party does it. Why can't we?"
What else does the Libertarian party do? Oh yeah, they pushed Bob Barr. They are slowly changing the platform to include neo-con/GOP bullshit. Wait, isn't that why we came here? Was to avoid this sort of corruption?
The people who have allowed their principles to erode so much that they are willing to create multiple accounts to vote, close of membership whenever it is politically expedient, and write little rant letters attacking people for asking that we follow the democratic process as laid out for the party because it just MIGHT get a result you personally don't like should be ashamed of yourselves.
For the record, I am not a supporter of Tom Knapp. And I have said things like "It's the Tom Knapp" party before. But it was not because of him pushing for fair treatment for people in a caucus he does not agree with. (Because he doesn't, I might add. He is not a member of our caucus nor does he agree with what we are suggesting. Your conspiracy theories are just as lame as they were before.) I said it was the "Tom Knapp" party when he did things like tolerate Davidson publishing our IP addresses, and vote results. Remember when Jim posted on IPR about who Mr. Canoli had voted for? Telling him to re-consider? Violating the privacy rights of the membership at his whim?
Todd, it is possible I will lose. And if I do I will just come back. My radio show has more listeners then this party has members, and the newsletter I am an editor for goes out to roughly 470,000 people. I did not push this issue too much because I was only interested in getting a voice on the committee, not to take over the party. And even if I do act to take over the party to clean out this corruption I will find principled Libertarians from the right as well as members of my caucus to run the party. Not sniveling little cowards who make multiple accounts to attempt to fraud an election, or whine because the bylaws permitted the membership, not Todd Barnett to pick the candidates.
If the enemy is excessive government, we can only stand to benefit from each other. The RBEC does NOT advocate coercion EVER to affect it's goals. And if people want to live outside what we suggest for society they are free to do so. I am already in communication with various communities who practice Free Market principles, we are not enemies. We just have a different means to reach the goal. The goal is to get out of the system. If you want to do that by setting up a deregulated economy in your community go ahead. It would be wrong of you however to say we should not be allowed the right to set up an economy that is based on resources available, utilizing technology that will allow us to automate most of the work, and take our energy from free and natural sources. And even if our community was bigger then yours we would not be at your door demanding you take some of the free stuff we provide in our community.
You seriously need to look at yourself and what is motivating you here. Even if I win, so what? I am only one vote. And our caucus only ran three candidates. If I wanted to we could of ran candidates for all positions. I did not and do not intend to do that.
Right now you are advocating fascist practices to try and control the party and it's membership. If this is not true, calm the hell down and just let the election process run it's course. Stop blaming Tom for standing up for the rights of the membership that he happens to also disagree with. Tom being willing to do this for the benefit of members he personally does not agree with shows character. The fact that you think only the members who agree with you should have rights in the party shows the opposite. It's despicable. And it makes the right wingers in this party look terrible.
inDglass:
Fascism is a form of statism. This is not a state. It is an organization which members are free to join or leave as they please. Todd's position could be described as "authoritarian," but not "fascist." Of course, for your purposes, "fascist" is the better choice of words, because it makes him look bad, suiting your aim to win the pissing contest between the two of you.
Todd Andrew Barnett:
Neil:
I will reply to your blog comment with my own comments as a member of the BTP and NOT as an At-large member of the National Committee. So here we go:
"First of all, you just flat out admitted that you are upset that the bylaws prevent you from denying someone the position because of the differences in your political ideology. In essence, you feel you should have the right to deny someone candidacy based on whatever differences you might have with them. This sir, is fascism."
That's a bullshit lie, and you goddamn well know it, Neil. I never said that I'd deny you or anyone a candidacy. Where EXACTLY did I say that I WOULD deny you or anyone of that right? Do you EVEN know how to read, man? I never said that I would do such a thing. You're putting words in my mouth.
My argument against Tom is the way he went about pushing for his appeal to the election, not that he didn't have a right to appeal (I even indicated that in my blog post, numb nuts.) I didn't object to your candidacy. That was NEVER the issue with me the entire time. For you to say that I had an issue with your candidacy is a baldfaced lie, which is not unusual for you because you are well known for spreading baldfaced lies about me and my character in this Party.
"Secondly, I have asked repeatedly yet none of you right Libertarians has stepped up to the challenge to answer my question: How does the Resource Based Economy Caucus platform stand 'vastly in stark opposition to the Party's platform'?"
Well, Neil, since you ask, I'll be glad to answer your question. It's simple.
Your Caucus aims to:
1. Abolish the state (which, in that part, is a good thing) but replace it with HAL 9000. A Marxist government (very Communistic) posing as a technocracy in the worst!
2. Abolish all forms of barter, including money. Neil, come on now, are you Venus Project crazies serious? Do you really think you guys can repeal human nature? When someone wants something, they will ALWAYS want something in return. That's human nature. It has been and always will be. And don't give me this "We're past that now, because we're evolving" crap! Please! You mean to tell me you guys want to force society (re-engineer it) so that you people can decide what can and cannot be produced? Give me an effing break! Money isn't the problem, Neil. It's the corporate state (corporatehood, corporations, etc.) and the state (economic fascism) that are causing the problems. Your paradisaical utopia has never worked, can't work, and will never work.
I'll go into more detail later, as I'm busy with helping out my parents, but I'll go into more detail later today....after the election.
VTV:
"Your Caucus aims to:
1. Abolish the state (which, in that part, is a good thing) but replace it with HAL 9000. A Marxist government (very Communistic) posing as a technocracy in the worst!
2. Abolish all forms of barter, including money. Neil, come on now, are you Venus Project crazies serious? Do you really think you guys can repeal human nature? When someone wants something, they will ALWAYS want something in return. That's human nature. It has been and always will be. And don't give me this "We're past that now, because we're evolving" crap! Please! You mean to tell me you guys want to force society (re-engineer it) so that you people can decide what can and cannot be produced? Give me an effing break! Money isn't the problem, Neil. It's the corporate state (corporatehood, corporations, etc.) and the state (economic fascism) that are causing the problems. Your paradisaical utopia has never worked, can't work, and will never work."
Todd, you have failed utterly to answer my question. The question was how does my caucus in any way violate the platform of the BTP. I pointed out that the platform says nothing about money, or the use of it. Capitalism etc. And it also says nothing about barter.
Then you try to say you have no problem with my candidacy, when the entire premise of your drama here is to be mad at Tom for facilitating an appeal that allowed me to be a candidate again.
Your feelings about the Venus Project or it's proposals are not relevant. The question was how does it violate the platform of the BTP. It doesn't. We seek to reduce the size and scope of government, and oppose increasing it. We recognize that government is not the solution. We seek freedom for all people, including freedom from your boss, your utility companies, and your department store. And eventually to eliminate the need of any form of state.
We don't suggest a Free Market approach to this because we feel that this will simply lead back to a state, or something worse. A plutocracy. However, we still do not feel that increasing the size or scope of government will be a solution at all.
Thomas L. Knapp:
Todd,
Yes, the fact that the bylaws are what they are is my "fault," to the extent that I wrote the original bylaws. I'm more than willing to "own" that.
I set up two different election methods -- one for officers, one for at-large -- for a reason. That reason is the same reason I set everything else up the way I did, too:
Because I considered the BTP a laboratory of sorts -- a place to find out whether or not (and if so, how) a political party could be built around a "big tent, directional" platform.
That platform was the control. Everything else was intended either be variable, or to be able to be made variable.
Election of the national committee, I made variable from the start -- two different kinds of elections, one for officers, one for at large. One "first past the post" with NOTA as an option, one "approval voting" in which all seats would be filled as long as there were enough nominees to fill them.
If you're suggesting that one method may be better than the other, well, you may be right. And if you think you're right, then you're free to propose a bylaws amendment to codify that, thus ending one of the many experiments in the laboratory.
You didn't propose such an amendment at the 2006 convention.
You didn't propose such an amendment at the 2008 convention.
You didn't propose such an amendment at the 2010 convention.
"Own" that instead of pissing and moaning that the rules you didn't try to change remained unchanged.
As how "far I'm willing to go" is concerned, you apparently think I'm a god or something, for no other reason than that I asked a question nobody has bothered to answer yet.
I've said nothing whatsoever "unkind" about Mike Shanklin -- and you know it. I simply pointed out that he had been recruited into the party just in time to run for, and apparently for the sole purpose of running him for, the seat on the national committee -- and that I had chosen to split my vote between the two candidates who had a record of involvement in the party instead of for him.
I find it odd that you'd want to bring up the issue of leaving and returning to the party. I've done so once. You do so -- in melodramatic fashion every time -- more often than some people change socks. I'd bet five bucks that you'll leave and return at least once in the next six months, but I doubt anyone would take that action unless I gave them really good odds. Maybe I'll start a pool or something.
The BTP ceased being "the Tom Knapp party" as soon as there were three members, meaning there were enough members to outvote me on anything they disagreed with. I served as chair for exactly as long as it took to get the organizational convention together, and at this time I don't even serve on the national committee.
And now I think I've fed the Drama Troll enough for the moment.