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Concerns About An Immediate Open Borders Policy
Before I proceed to express my concerns on an open borders policy, I will make it clear that I am in support of an open borders policy. But there are concerns I have for an immediate implementation of this policy.
If you have not heard of or researched into the North American Union, it is a merger of Canada, Mexico, and the United States, in aspects of economy, education, military, agriculture, and political sovereignty. This is a model that parallels that of the European Union. In other words, it will end the United States as we know it.
What this has to do with an open borders policy is that if we push this ideal at this crucial moment, then the people involved in the formulation of the North American Union will succeed. Think about it, if we permit citizens of Mexico and Canada to come over here and hold a job that somebody who is native to the area could easily fill, then it doesn't benefit the community when it comes down to it. This is troubling because due to our current economic model, money earned by workers circulate money back into the system. This will take the labor of one community and give it to another that didn't earn it.
The establishment wants us to believe we are being humane by allowing our borders to be completely open to Mexico and Canada. Why would they propagate this, but on the other hand be "tightening nation security" in our "war on terror." The only security they are providing are for our ruthless copratators from us. And they are opening the borders to, by stealth, lead the American peoples to believe that the North American Union is the norm.
However, open borders will work. It is just that our economic system will benefit one whilst cutting out the other, making open borders detrimental to both sides. Evidence as of now is pointing to trouble for everything we are working for. The goals we have in mind would be rendered impossible if the United States, the entity itself our last remaining right, will be taken away. We must wait on this topic until we as a country have a resource based economy. If we lose sight of priorities to subjects of human opinion as to the urgency, then we will ultimately fail.
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caseyryback:
This law is a step backwards, yes, but I honestly don't see any other way of getting illegals out of the country. Simply asking them won't work, so I don't see any other way of getting them to leave short of a holocaust style roundup. And no, I'm not racist, it's just that there's no other semi-civil way to do this. I honestly don't know why they're complaining so much... in WWII my grandpa who lived in Hawaii was thrown in an internment camp and all of his land was confiscated (which he never got back after the war) and he WAS legal. Yea he was bitter, but he didn't complain about it half as much as all these illegals are about the country enforcing a law. If you have so much anxiety about being pulled over and getting deported, you should at least try riding a bike or walking (since you don't even have a license to begin with if you're illegal). I realize that the economy is dependent upon the amazing savings that can be made by hiring illegal workers, but the problem I have with them being here is that they are confined to only the bottom tiers of America's society. And no, I'm not talking about Mexicans in general, because a lot of them are moving up in society - I'm referring to illegals, who will prob never get a soc sec #, and will thus be stuck in their existence of ridiculously underpaid manual labor. By having illegals in this country, we're essentially perpetuating a class of slavery, whereas in Mexico, they would have chances to progress since they are actual citizens there (considering that Mexico undergoes major changes in its, er, "management." Besides, this might sound a bit racist to you, but I live in Santa Ana, CA (a VERY latino community in case you didn’t know) and my house has been broken into twice by mexicans over the last 3 years. I posted pics of them (adt security pics) taken from my surveillance camera, although they were never caught and charged (kind of a waste of money getting that security system installed, but I’ll save that for another day…). Now I’m not saying that all Mexicans are burglars and thieves… hell, if I was in their situation stuck in a racist country like ours, I would be doing the same thing.
Thomas L. Knapp:
There's no such thing as an "illegal." The Constitution gives Congress no power whatsoever to regulate immigration. Open borders isn't just a good idea, it's "the Supreme Law of the Land" since 1789.
southernpatriot:
Am I correct in assuming you meant "borders" - that man made line separating one place from another - and not "boarders" meaning:
1) lodger: a tenant in someone's house
2) someone who forces their way aboard ship;
or
3) a pupil who lives at school during term time.
The typo makes a difference.
deepcover187:
OK now, you know i meant "borders" just by the context of my posting. You cannot tell me that anyone who has the ability to think constructivly believed that i was talking about anything else besides our "borders" to the north and south. i was hoping you had something something important for me to read, not a grammer lesson. i will fix the typo's, but really? You shouldve at least responded to the content, because unless you are an idiot, you knew what i was saying. you are right about the typo, it was late at night and i didnt really care all too much about that. but a typo is a very minor issue when anyone can pick up that i meant border and not the other boarder. i would like to hear your opinion on the content, this isnt a high school homework assignment. i didnt type this to be graded, i did it to get people thinking critically about this issue so that we can find the best solution.
southernpatriot:
What we have is a welfare problem, not an immigration problem.
Please explain how a "resource based economy" will "fix" the "problem" of immigration.
inDglass:
This is why the open borders policy is only part of our current program. It is not very practical by itself, but, when combined with ending the welfare state, war on drugs, tariffs and income taxes, aggressive foreign policy, etc., an open border policy would benefit our economy without compromising liberty.
Another reason I support total legal immigration is that the idea of rights applying only to U.S. citizens contradicts the very nature of rights. Rights are inherent to all human beings. Therefore, you can not deny the rights to life, liberty, and property to newcomers any more than you can to those who already live here. If we shut down the welfare system and open up the borders, productive people and move here, make a living for themselves, and acquire property. Those people would then have the rights to life, liberty, and property that they may not have had in their previous home. Our economy will then prosper with the addition of highly productive citizens.
deepcover187:
The point I'm making is that the conditions of an open border policy is harmful to the current system we are in. People should be allowed to work over here, but we can't allow their labor to be cheaper than ours. That works against both the foreign worker and the community. With people in the community who need the job not having as many jobs available, and also robbing the foreign worker whose labor is worth just as much as the rest of ours. This will bring jobs back to Americans who need it. Mexican and Canadian workers should not benefit at our expense when this is America. Instead we need to help them sustain their resources so people can live in the conditions they're served.
What I suggest a resource-based economy would solve is scarcity and will work towards making resources sustainable, assuring a countries ability to operate. We can in turn allow people from other areas to work in America where jobs are available and Americans to go to other countries where jobs are available. The idea of a resource based economy is to assure that everyone will be able to live, so we would not ignore our neighbors by practice. This will strengthen foreign policy and make resources plentiful between peoples. So if Mexico were given the resources to sustain themselves and coexist with us, then the need for people desperately looking for jobs in the United States will diminish.
southernpatriot:
Mexico has plenty of resources; that is not being disputed.
It seems that your "proposal" only works if EVERYONE adopts the RBE, which will only happen by force.
deepcover187:
Well we have everything we need in the United States. If we can make it affordable for everyone to live cheaply, we don't need anybody else to. But a RBE assures that a interconnected world populous won't be forced to give up sovereignty in order to achieve a global civilization. We cannot merge political agendas along with such unions. For example, if Canada were to legalize marijuana, then the United States would intervene whether it be trade sanctions or military action. This idea flabbergasts me because in my opinion, we have no right to judge our allies foreign policy when it comes to a matter of opinions. And it is just as if some other country were to wage war on us because of our freedom of speech, although at times like this the idea of that is laughable.
southernpatriot:
Again, it seems that your "proposal" only works if EVERYONE adopts the RBE, which will only happen by force. How do you plan on forcing people to accept RBE without anyone giving up sovereignty?
deepcover187:
I believe you've misunderstood. I said it will work for us, and we can make everything we need domestically. That erases meddling in affairs of other countries with the underlying cause being in some way about resources. And why would a RBE destroy any sovereignty. A portion of a RBE promote fair trade and quality of life. The constitution is what gives us our sovereignty. Liberty is one part of it if I'm not mistaken. A RBE can finally separate the corrupt corporate structure from our society. They soak in billions and billions in profit from privatizing foreign resources and labor. That's why there are sweatshops. And there also is wrong with a central bank. They loan money, at interest, to our government. So the government is our not master, it's the federal reserve systems and the corporations like Coca Cola who privatizes third world countries water to redistribute as Dasani at a higher price than Coca Cola. There is absolutely something wrong with these attacks on freedom. That is why founding fathers such as Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, etc. When the British Empire imposed a currency on the American Colonies, it was loaned out at interest just as we do today. This is a method of enslavement, indentured service if you will. This scheme is centuries old, just like all evil, it hasn't gone away. Only it seems as though all of a sudden in the world, there is miraculously no more empires! Wow.
southernpatriot:
"we can make everything we need domestically."
We already have that ability, unfortunately due to the current tax structure and various loopholes in "trade agreements" many corporations have found it beneficial to move offices and plants overseas.
"The constitution is what gives us our sovereignty"
No constitution "gives" sovereignty to anyone. Rights are inherent, constitutions are supposed to be designed to recognize those rights.
"And there also is wrong with a central bank. They loan money, at interest, to our government. So the government is our not master, it's the federal reserve systems and the corporations"
You will hear no disagreement from me on this statement.
"A RBE can finally separate the corrupt corporate structure from our society. They soak in billions and billions in profit from privatizing foreign resources and labor."
And they would continue to do so unless everyone operated under the RBE. How do you propose forcing Mexico, Canada, China & every other country on earth to accept the RBE?
deepcover187:
I see what you mean when you refute my claim that the constitution doesn't protect our sovereignty. and you're right that we can't force all other countries to adopt this. But an RBE would take us out of foreign affairs. If we had an RBE, we wouldn't use foreign resources out of an artificial "necessity." And my hope is that if we led an example of how a nation can be independent, then other nations would adopt this policy as well. This would end all foreign policy relating to resources as an underlying cause dramatically, though not completely, in our world.
southernpatriot:
If we had an RBE, we wouldn't use foreign resources out of an artificial "necessity."
That isn't the reason foreign goods are used now. Companies are able to take advantage of tax loopholes, trade agreement loopholes & lower wages in other countries to save money by "exporting jobs". Trade Unions have used force & manipulation to get higher wages, thus making it beneficial for companies to look for loopholes. There is no "artificial necessity" for foreign resources, only companies taking advantage of loopholes they helped create.
"Corporate personhood" should be abolished.
The IRS should be abolished.
The Federal Reserve should be abolished.
And people should be able to trade freely with whomever they choose.
deepcover187:
Besides, if Mexico didn't adopt this, there are means of allowing their workers to work here and be able to transfer their wages to Mexico, where sadly it will be taxed by the Mexican government. We won't become a poor nation if nobody else does this. We will actually become more economically successful. We will become an industrial giant once more, and auto determination will take over the flock of sheep that continue to pour their money into corrupt corporations and banking systems.