Any Free Market advocates up for debate?
I found this website that hates Free Market advocates as much as they hate proponents of the RBE model. You have to sift through a bit of personal attack but they do have some interesting data for their debates against the Free Market concept. They are ganging up on one person right now I was kind of curious how this debate would go if there were more people on the Free Market side: http:// conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/lets-talk-about-ultra-free-markets





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Ihr Hase:
Just wondering why everything seems to become a pissing match around here....
If anyone wants to discuss "free" market vs. Free Market you are free to call into my BTR radio show on Monday nights...
You can contact James Cox begin_of_the_skype_highlighting end_of_the_skype_highlighting or I on Facebook, My name is Harry Felker.
I will be more than happy to explain what a FREE market is and why all the assumptions people who do not like the "free" market are wrong when applied to the Free Market...
It seems to me that it stems from the limited liability corporate personhood model, which is what happens when you have an authority that can make it happen.
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inDglass:
Neil,
A three minute live chat conversation with two of the idiots who regularly contribute to that forum was all I needed to know that that site is a total waste of time for anyone in the freedom movement. They do this purposefully to drag people into arguments that are not real debates, so that you waste time arguing with morons rather than accomplishing something that opposes the state that they support.
Pir-EdJesus:
To add to my first comment - just a few things to point out that CS made me aware of, which might influence your view on VTV.
I'm not judging, nor do I demand any action, I just like to share any information I have.
"I found this website" ...assumes that he just stumbled upon it, while VTV actually has two accounts on CS and registered 3 months ago. I find this to be somewhat deceptive rhetoric.
"...that hates Free Market advocates as much as they hate proponents of the RBE model"
We don't actually hate anybody. Edward, who runs the site, is in support of TVP, but objects to the questionable tactics TZM uses to promote it.
One might ask oneself, why does VTV, who openly supports TVP and has left Libertarianism encourage Libertarians to argue against a position he supports himself?
Cheers,
PJ
VTV:
Bullshit. That site is full of nothing bout 24 hour trolling. I was suprised by some of the rare gems of good debate to be found in the free market stuff.
As for their "opinion" of me, there is nothing your going to say to them that they don't already know. Your not going to "save them" from me.
inDglass:
Why would anyone want to waste time trying to debate trolls on a troll forum. I don't see why you ever brought this up. All it has done is attract some of the trolls onto this site. We having enough bad behavior to deal with around here already.
Pir-EdJesus:
I'm a member of CS - BTP, please take a look at this topic:
conspiracyscience.com/forums/topic/to-the-boston-tea-party-dont-you-want-to-be-taken-seriously
This is too hilarious to even comment on.
Neil, your last Radio Show was good, stop doing this crap. It ruins the good parts of the picture I have of you. You don't even propose free markets anymore, get a damn job and stop screwing around with these - rather amusing - people.
For freedom! Also, for robber barons, wageslaves, capital syndicates and private mercenaries! Huzzah!
VTV:
What are you suggesting in this thread that they do? Remove me from the party?
Also, that stupid post talks about how I supposedly have moved from group to group leaving nothing about annoyed people in my wake. It's total bullshit.
I am asking people who actually understand Free Market Economics to come forward and debate you in that subject.
Nobody gives a shit about the troll post you linked there, anymore then they gave a shit about it when the same person brought that crap here during the election.
On a final note, I don't rightly care about your "impression" of me.
Pir-EdJesus:
I'm not suggesting anything, it's their party, they shall decide.
You surely would remove free market advocates from TZM, if they didn't agree with it, wouldn't you? So why the double values? Clearly, TVP (no state no trade no money) is as far from Libertarianism as one can be.
The strategy of luring TZM members in and make them vote for you just strikes me as rather deceptive.
You're free to think of me what you want, I'm getting so many TZM hate mail since I left, one more won't ruin my day too much. You still owe me a response to the mail I sent you months ago, though.
VTV:
If your participating in the non-stop trolling at conspiracy science you don't warrant a waste of my time.
Pir-EdJesus:
You don't really know anything about me, but already made a judgment, that's some critical thinking there.
VTV:
And you supposedly know all about me? Don't be ridiculous. I have read your participation there. It along with RBOSE are little more then the toilet for the ZM.
Pir-EdJesus:
Where did I say I did? I didn't even accuse you of wasting my time.
I joined CS to look for further flaws in TZM, after my two threads had gained me some member support, but not much when it comes to actual debate, nor was anybody (including you) able to refute my arguments on the "collapse" theory and its use/harm for any political system != fascism.
Turns out, CS doesn't just consist of trolls, but of completely normal people you can discuss with, if you don't shove RBE in their faces...and who actually know why TVP is close to Marcuse, what Marcuse wrote and why communism has nothing to do with money.
I just don't get why you actually waste your time here trying to get people to argue with a view point you agree with - Edward did/does support TVP, so your arguments should be similar.
Why not learn some valuable skill and become a freelancer or start a business from home?
In a few years, when I originally wanted to get back to TZM (fat chance) you can be financially independent, or you can still read what some rich nerd writes after work to have fun.
Your choice.
Cheers,
CJ
VTV:
I posted about this earlier, and for some reason it didn't take.
I did try and have a constructive conversation at CS. I offered to answer their questions and the only condition I had was that they keep personal attacks out of the conversation. Every few posts there was one personal attack or another, including "Your Fat", "Get a job", "Your poor" etc. So yes, they are basically a group of trolls. I was surprised that they had any good information on the Free Market debate. However in order to have a conversation with them generally you are going to have to endure a lot of your time wasted reading their cowardly antics. For every valuable post they post ten or so that are useless. It's just another troll den complete with a pack and a pecking order.
In addition to all of their hatred for conspiracy theories, they constantly make up theories about the people they dislike there. I laughed as I read those morons make up stories about Jacque, Roxanne, Peter, and myself. Then they insist they are absolutely right about it.
I remember being told I work at McDonalds. Then I apparently actually work at Burger King. Then finally it is my wife who works at Burger King, and I am supposedly a bad person because she was working and I was staying at home. (As if any of that is even remotely relevant to the conversation at hand.) They are always ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about you when they have next to none of the evidence they demand from their detractors. And they are more then willing to make up bullshit to fill in the blanks of their theories about those they choose to flame. It's bullshit. And just another textbook example of the kind of hypocrisy and self-deceptions people do to protect their fragile egos.
The people there believe they are in some way important. My radio show has hundreds more listeners and supporters then that website even has regular contributors. Yet they set themselves on some sort of house of cards pedestal. And re-enforce it by flaming anyone who comes near them in a big pack, and patting each other on the back the whole time. It's no more sophisticated then any group of bullies or "popular people" in high school. Pick on the unpopular kid, praise the popular kid. And about as mature as well.
southernpatriot:
I tried to register to comment, but have to email someone and await his reply so that you can create an account - too much hassle.
However, my two cents: it seems their entire dislike of a "free market" relies on the fallacy that corporations would exist. Corporations are only "legal persons" because a government deemed it to be. That would not and could not happen in a true free market!
deepcover187:
SouthernPatriot, what steps would our capitalist economy have to take in order to become a "true free market?"
I like the idea of a resource based economy because it promises the idea of freedom to chose what you want to do. This does not mean I loathe work. I love working when it is something I am good and and engages me mentally. I have done years of concrete foundations, so no I am not lazy. I want a resource based economy so that everyone can have what they need before people begin to get what they want. I do believe that work is required to make a society to succeed. I know there are those out there who hate not working. My dad likes working too much and I wonder sometimes about him. But we will still have the hard workers in our society, and they will finally earn the sweat of their crop, and not bankers for learning the biggest scam of all.
I was looking at this ad by a Lowes cash register. It said "NEW POLICY CHANGE! STARTING FEB 1 WE REQUIRE YOU TO PAY MINIMUM MONTHLY PAYMENTS" Seriously how many of you would look at the and say "Wow this sounds cool!" The reality is they want you to pay minimum so they can keep gaining interest. Loans and crediting and interest all those other scams are detrimental to society. So how can "fake" money be good when it artificially came with these flaws to enslave everyone who adopts it. I urge you all to trace many loans to other countries. How do you think BP had Iranian oil privatized? Look it up and you'll see all the dangers of corporations and nationalized banks.
VTV I believe you are detrimental to the idea of a RBE. To my knowledge you have never used the defense that you know a hard days work. And you suppose that you should be fed and sheltered by hard working people. What makes you, a male, deserve this? A RBE will not work without hard workers, and therefore we need hard workers to help promote the idea, not people with no credibility because they refuse to work. And yes you are a stay-at-home mom, but unless you are fiercely dependent as your ex-wife was independent, then you should get off your ass show and your kids how a man works. You cannot let your kids see dependency from both parents and no hard work or they may end up not wanting to bust their ass to feel accomplished. Our ancestors would send the men out to find the resources the tribes would need while the women would stay home with the kids. You need breadwinners, always, always, always. Laziness is not allowed in my RBE that I want. An RBE is just a minor improvement on the system our ancestors had before structured society. It worked, they lived didn't they? It's just that they weren't lazy, so VTV please get a mans job before you say that we should adopt a RBE. Laziness is not the pure way of a RBE.
southernpatriot:
"what steps would our capitalist economy have to take in order to become a "true free market"?"
Quite simply: Abolish the Federal Reserve, IRS, corporate personhood & all governmental regulatory agencies.
VTV:
You know nothing about me or my work situation. Or what is going on in my home. Don't try to assume you do. I visit various places where this sort of stuff is said on a regular basis and laugh at how ignorant you are.
My wife was not "fiercely independent". Ever. She is not even so now.
Of the five years of our marriage I was the one who worked for three of it. (That's right, as in for MOST of the time we were together.) She stated she could not handle being the one to stay at home and that it was affecting her emotionally.
Neither of us have any family or reliable child care, nor would we want someone else raising our kids. This is the critical point.
You talk about an RBE then go on to speak like some idiot from the 50s who thinks his job is his manhood. As I doubt you could use the defense that you have any idea what it is like to be a father I think you should probably educate yourself.
As for "working" I grew up on a farm where I did plenty of work. All day. Every day. I have worked in various other jobs as well. Including working in below freezing temperatures outdoors for eight hours a day to take care of that "independent wife" and my at the time unborn daughter. I am only unemployed now to guide my children in their development. Particularly in this world with messed up values I do not feel comfortable with simply paying someone else to take care of my children while I go work all day. You can interview a day care provider but you have no idea what they are being exposed to. Not to mention it is rather expensive, and I would probably end up working two jobs just to pay for the daycare on top of making any headway on my bills.
In the situation I am in now, I can take my kids out to the park, the lake, the pool or do some other activity with them every day. And develop a strong bond with them. Me being gone working all day does not set any sort of example for them other then to expect that parents are these people who show up and take them from the place they are growing up. (Ever hear the song "The cats in the cradle"?)
And what does me being a "male" have to do with anything? Seriously, you talk like you are some intellectual and then you make these ignorant comments? What's next, is it because I am a "white" male?
"Get a man's job". Seriously, that is so lo brow. If my kids are taken care of and my bills are paid then I am responsible enough. That is enough for me. I don't rightly care if it is enough for you. I stopped caring what ignorant little trolls who talk trash from the safety of their keyboards think long ago. I posted most of this to prove how little you know. And that is kind of the point. I feel people like you who try to argue these points who obviously are inclined to make ASSumptions about the world around them are a detriment to any intellectual discussion. RBE or otherwise.
deepcover187:
Wow sir VTV obviously I hit the sensitive spot. I did not use little childish insults to get my point across. And yes I love work. I am proud of something I work hard for and and look back on the did and say that it was worth it. If you make something meaningful, then work is a blessing. You obviously wouldn't understand. And no I am not an idiot from the 50's. I can find the meaning in things I seriously doubt you would comprehend. You make your personal life very apparent on this website, and in that way a RBE is losing credit due to the drama you create. In fact you tried to create it with me. I will not play your little childish games and throw insults. And my father works seven days a week and I am always learning from his ways. He leads a strong example and he loves his work and he sees the meaning of it. You don't need to stay home to teach your kids to develop. You can show a strong example and let them know that they accept no views but their own. Your kids might not like your opinion or agree with your view of the world. I am independent because I learned the value of my own labor. Life is work if you want to make something of it. The Beatles did not become one of the biggest music sensations ever by not wanting to work hard. The played strip clubs many miles away from home for sets that were extended beyond their material. Do you think they enjoyed having to be an obscure band in a strip club playing for 6 hours with a 2 hour set list? They loved music and thus were willing to work hard to what they love. And no I am not ignorant, as I recall I said "if you find someone as fiercely independent as you are dependent" which meant you find a nice little CEO lady who is independent and works hard. Every household needs a breadwinner because they show the young ones assertiveness. No I don't know what its like to be a father, but I had a damn good father who showed me how to be a fucking man and think for myself, not how he wanted me to. And a mother is great for being at home because the mother in nature is generally the caretaker. Penguin males protect the egg however, so nature shows both genders can show care for their young. I am not a racist, a bigot, etc. I just don't think you should use a RBE to validate the fact you want to stay home all day. And you are putting down those who wish to freely work hard. As I recall, those people help push our society forward, not by sitting around complaining that things aren't they way they want them to be. The founding fathers didn't incite a revolution by sitting around daydreaming.
VTV:
No, you didn't hit anything sensitive. I know you trolls hope that you have in some way hurt me but you don't. The entire point of my post was to point out how inaccurate yours are. I succeeded in that.
Judging by what you said, your father works and your mother stays home? Who raised you? Was it your mother? How much time did you get with your parents individually?
You don't give anyone a strong example by never being there. FYI. This is further compounded on the fact that you do not know the situation in my home. Nor could you ever comprehend it most likely.
And if your trying to say it is wrong that I am staying home and take care of my kids out of some absurd notion that this would naturally be their mother's calling you prove this even further. She cannot handle that role. She left for six months at one point completely abandoning the family. While she was living here she insisted to be the one to work because she could not stay at home with the children.
What is best for my children is that I am here with them. And having a job does not define a human being or their worth. I make revenue by renting some of my property to other people. In order to do this I have to work on that property.
(This would be more of that information you don't have, because despite your claiming to have the "scoop" on me, you don't really know shit about me.)
I don't sit around daydreaming. You see for all of your hatred of conspiracy theories that is all you have about me. Theories that you dreamed up.
deepcover187:
Well all I think you should know is that a RBE does not come without any work at all. People will still need to work. The idea is to make resources more valuable so costs will go down to a rate that everyone can afford what they need and not be forced to barely scrape by working 40 hours a week. This allows you to be free and chose to do something that brings value to your life. You have yet to address how I explained we will still need hard workers despite your claiming that anyone who likes work is a 50's idiot. We haven't achieved progress without some measure of effort put into it. So I would appreciate it if you would stop putting on the illusion that having a RBE economy will make it so that we can all sit around all day because that is not how reality works. A RBE will make it so we are not forced to work in jobs that we don't find the value in. That is why I believe you are discrediting the idea of a RBE because you make it seem that no one will ever work again. If living is easily affordable, that creates space for people to spend their time thinking and making things that will help propel us further in evolution. And if you believe I am trolling than don't respond. I just am debating your view of a RBE and how it will supposedly make us all free of any work at all.
VTV:
I am going to make one last response on this.
It is important that why I did all of this is clear. The people on the ConspiracyTroll forum will still spin it any way they want. But this is my take on it.
I did this for the same reason I refuted so many silly claims from the "Anon4allofus" account on youtube. It's not that I am emotionally charged by any of this. It's not that anyone is "getting to me" or even affecting me personally. I don't give a damn about Bill Martiark, or Paul Jones (Anticultist).
However, I do care about the right of people not to be defamed and their reputations ruined over false accusations. And I also care about the right of people to be able to freely speak their minds without fear of being attacked by trolls for it. It's always hilarious to me that people like this also cry for "free speech" to save them, and dislike when someone takes a stand against their attempts to take it away from other people through bullying and intimidation.
So I posted here not only to state that I am in fact not "bullied" or "intimidated" and whats more, the people trying to do so are spouting half-truths, twisted-truths and in some cases outright lies. They repeat this stuff over and over again in hopes to get people to believe it. And in the internet game of "He who posts last obviously is winning, otherwise the other person would of retorted..." sometimes they can get a long way.
What's really bad about what they are doing is that this sort of behavior is leading to their being a viable argument for regulation of the internet. Which I hope never happens, but at the same time I do feel that something needs to be done about this. The most I can do now is try to spread awareness of this behavior so that people can be sure to hesitate before they believe everything they read about people on the internet.
So to conclude, no I am not angry. I don't feel that ConspiracyScience is some "arch nemesis" and I am not worked up about any of this. Contrary to their "theories".
VTV:
And then you say: "I think I have a good idea what is going on in your home in my opinion..."
How? Based on what? This is where your theorizing starts. So far the only thing you know about me is that I am unemployed. Virtually everything else you have said about me is totally wrong. Or just really stretched or distorted.
On what basis do you feel you can claim to have any sort of insight? Because I banned you from a chat forum? Because you have argued with me a little bit?
I notice you never answered about whether or not one of your parents stayed home with you. I suppose you realized you were backing yourself into a corner.
Bill, I know you would like to believe that this really affects me. But I have had people razzing me just like you for years out of jealousy and their own insecurity. It really does not phase me. But I do like to point out the huge gaping holes in the things that trolls say. This helps to spread awareness of how useless trolls are. And why they should be removed from chat mediums even in freedom forums. You contribute nothing of value. You spew nonsense and in many cases outright lies.
At the end of the day the real problem here is that you are hurt that the ZM rejected you. You are angry that there is nothing you can do about that. And no forum that actually wants to see quality conversation would ever tolerate your behavior.
I remember anti-cultist, who INSISTED that I work at McDonalds. As in that I work there supposedly right now. Then he INSISTED when I refuted this that, that I work at Burger King. And when I denied both of these "facts" that I was a liar. Then finally, it was my wife who was at the time working at Burger King. But supposedly, he was absolutely right about all three of these "theories".
You say you know plenty of parents who work and allow other people to raise their children. I know plenty of parents where at least one of them stays at home with their children. If you choose to dislike that go ahead, but to be honest it really is none of your business. Feel free to have both parents go to work in your own family and let day care centers raise them if that is what is a measure of a "man" to you. The fact that you would want to do something like call protective services because I banned you from an internet forum kind of proves just how insecure you really are.
Child protective services will come here, see a clean and safe environment. See that the children are well fed, and they have their own rooms, beds, etc. And that will be the end of it. I am not sure what you think you would accomplish other then wasting more of that tax payers money you claim you don't like that I am supposedly using. But feel free. You keep saying your considering it. I look forward to it. Because it will be another chance for me to prove that you are inaccurate in your assumptions about someone you have never met.
At the end of the day, I will still be me. You will not of impacted my life in any way. And you will still be banned from the ZM. Nothing you will of done will of changed anything. I don't consider my toying with you to really be a waste of time only in that I can sometimes point out the total flaws in the "theories" of the trolls. Some people do get upset about the things trolls like you do. I have gotten past that a long time ago.
You really want to believe you are making me mad. You keep trying to point it out in every post, and each time you are just as wrong as you are about the situation in my home. But that is where we get to the real problem. You really hope you can make me mad. You really want to be able to "hurt" me. And it further proves that you are an immature, insecure little boy.
Did you see anyone reacting to anything you posted here? Do you think anyone cared? What have you accomplished? Anything? (In fact, even my political opponents here think your an idiot.) Maybe you felt a little satisfaction after you posted some of this stuff but I doubt it lasts too long. You have failed to ruin my reputation within the ZM. You have failed to have any impact on anything going on in my life, and you will continue to fail. At this point, you only exist to me when I feel like pointing out the inherent flaws in the behavior of trolls. And as you claim that I supposedly "humiliate" myself when I post back, the opposite is true. Every time you post like this you prove me right about you. Every time you post like this you justify why we banned you. You don't prove that you were right, you prove that we were right.
VTV:
Lets use this example from the Conspiracy Troll forum:
"Well in the quote above again "I make revenue by renting some of my property to other people.", I highly doubt VTV owns anything like VTV says" I've been in poverty nearly my whole life", I doubt he owns property and I bet he's ripping a bit off his old friend MattG."
This is an example of something you just pulled out of your rectum that has no basis in fact. I own a five bedroom manufactured home.
And then somehow I am ripping money off of MattG? Whom has never in any way ever been connected to me monetarily at all?
"Before I go into the quote above I must inform people I will be talking about a individual called MattG. MattG and VTV were hosting some sort of internet radio station together, they had a bad falling out, MattG came upon TZM VTV targeted MattG and got the guy globally banned (could be a reason why VTV supports bans so much because talking to MattG he has a lot of dirt on VTV). Anyways MattG among other things MattG owns property and rents it out to people."
MattG doesn't have any "dirt" on me. We were not hosting an internet radio station together. I was on that station and helped run it, MattG was never involved in it at that level when I was there. And the reason I support bans so much is because of stuff like your doing now. Not only were you totally wrong, you were making stuff up. Like out of thin air.
I never targeted MattG. He was allowed to go on trolling in ZM for months before he was finally gone for good. And I only banned him twice out of the several times he was banned. And did not ban him the final time. He was a habitual troll. Sometimes he would get drunk and log on and start cussing everyone out. Not sure where you get your information from. Oh wait, I do. You make it up as you go along.
"Just to note if this was a truthful statement VTV would of said he had some sort of income much earlier than he is saying now which would suggest he's lying and worried about his image on the tea bag forums now in general."
Well I am certainly not worried about my image because of any contribution to it you may come up with. Particularly when you lie or make things up on the fly. The reason I don't talk about my income generally is because it is nobody's business. Only hateful, jealous spiteful little trolls even care about my home situation. They keep digging and digging hoping to find something to get revenge on me by "exposing". But they fail again and again. If I was afraid of you Bill I would of just stopped posting a long time ago, in the hopes that people would just ignore this thread.
Lets look a little further:
"VTV has a kid, why would someone allow a stranger to live in their trailer who will be around his kid... This is just messed up..."
See this is where you further just make up incriminating evidence where there is none. You claim to have a solid grasp of what is going on in my home life.
Tell you what then. Please tell everyone how long I have known all of the roommates who live in my home. Please provide evidence that they are "strangers" and that I am therefore endangering my child. I mean I am sure I must be the only person in the United States who rents rooms to borders while having children. Clearly. But lets endorse this just for a moment and ask you to put your money where your mouth is.
You know so much about what is going on in my home. Who lives here and how long have I known then? And what is their relationship to my children?
This would all be critical information that you should of had BEFORE you opened your mouth about what is going on in my home, and before you tried to tell everyone that I have strangers in my home.
The funny thing is, this is why Jacque Fresco cautions against opinions. And you think you have a better understanding of RBE principles then I do.
Can't wait to hear your response in your "expert" opinion on my home life.
Then you put words in the mouths of others:
"Ooohh yes, you spam your vradio station like crazy just ask gman about it LOL (GMAN being a global TZM admin)...
"Gman Global Admin on TZM response to VTV: The ZM IRC is a valuable communication resource that I have never witnessed you utilize for anything other than the promotion of your own radio shows."
Where below did Gman say I "spammed" anything? All he said was that the only time he has seen me use the IRC was sometimes to let people know about my radio shows. He didn't say I spammed them. In fact, his point was that I had not used the IRC very often. But you of course need everyone to believe that so you quote one thing, and a link to a thread. And then put your own spin on it to mean something you want it to mean. Just like all the liars in the media.
"Or you respond because I am right :D and you respond because you’re a narcissists who is pissed off because I’m right and your trying ever so hard to cover it up with more bullshit and lies which I believe is more likely."
No. If I was trying to cover anything up, this would not be the way to go about it. The person being exposed here is the one doing all the lying and spinning. And that would be you.
Lets move on to this:
"You are in fact a wife beater and scum…"
If I am in fact a wife beater, please provide direct evidence. Do you have a police report? Do you have an arrest record? A restraining order is not proof of any wrongdoing. It is proof that a woman managed to convince a judge that she was "afraid". And the burden of proof is very tiny. The second time she got one I had not even seen her for six months, and she had claimed that I was stalking her. It was also thrown out of court right away when I was able to get in front of the judge. I have never been arrested for domestic violence because I have never committed any. Officers have responded to our home because I was the one who called them. They found no wrongdoing. And I daresay they were in more of a position to determine this then some half wit on the internet.
You make a serious allegation like this and provide no evidence. This is seriously despicable. And I might add, illegal. But the bigger point here is that you are inventing things and then trying to spread them as the truth. Like most angry trolls who are butt hurt for being banned. It doesn't make me angry. You are working on old news that people tried to bring me down with before and failed. The reason for that being that it does not hold up to reality.
"I consider you a danger to yourself and anybody around you and I really am considering calling child protective services on you,,, I do not want those kids to be subjected to such a negative environment you provide them to put it lightly."
Well then, by all means. Call them. I dare you. Because after all, you clearly must be an expert on their environment. You have had all of these chances to get the real scoop on me from your computer chair. I am sure there is data about he condition of their home, their food supply, etc. somewhere on the forums right? By the way, someone trying to hide things or cover them up would not urge you to call Protective Services on them. But please, feel free. I now have public statements from you that you wish to do this. And when they come here and find nothing wrong, it will look very good on the harassment lawsuit. But by all means, do it. Do you need the phone number?
The final point here Bill, is that you make assertions, and then repeat them over and over again until someone believes it.
"If you repeat the lie often enough, it becomes truth..."
Adolph Hitler-
But thankfully, you have made an idiot of yourself here so much that nobody believes you.
I have proved my point now. I anxiously await my day in court with you. And I await my visit from Child protective services.
VTV:
Billl, you are a cowardly troll who sits behind a computer and makes up theories about the people he is trolling. I can assure you that you would never meet me in person and confront me with your theories about my family life. The more you theorize about it the more silly it gets. Now I supposedly don't own the property I own? This is the thing that is so funny. You have no idea what your talking about. But you think you talk down to me or to anyone else.
And at the time you were theorizing that I wasn't actually married you were wrong then as well. And ironically, the relationship was doing well at the time.
Honestly the strange obsession you have with "investigating" and "insinuating" about me is what is really pathetic here. You went to my wife's MySpace to see if she had pictures of me up? Seriously, how creepy is that?
You may "appreciate that you don't do X" with me until your blue in the face. You are a non factor to me. And the only reason I respond to you ever is to point out again how incredibly wrong you are about everything.
You go on to say things about how I am terrible to my wife and children when you have no idea what is going on in my home. If you don't like that I don't have a job that is in fact your problem. If you don't like that you think I am "living on your dime" I don't care about that either. I will go on doing what I am doing. You will have no impact on that. And still don't.
But please continue your onslaught. As much as I find it entertaining it will be every bit as entertaining when you are finally in court for libel.
Then the real fun will begin. :)
VTV:
Billl, you are a cowardly troll who sits behind a computer and makes up theories about the people he is trolling. I can assure you that you would never meet me in person and confront me with your theories about my family life. The more you theorize about it the more silly it gets. Now I supposedly don't own the property I own? This is the thing that is so funny. You have no idea what your talking about. But you think you talk down to me or to anyone else.
And at the time you were theorizing that I wasn't actually married you were wrong then as well. And ironically, the relationship was doing well at the time.
Honestly the strange obsession you have with "investigating" and "insinuating" about me is what is really pathetic here. You went to my wife's MySpace to see if she had pictures of me up? Seriously, how creepy is that?
You may "appreciate that you don't do X" with me until your blue in the face. You are a non factor to me. And the only reason I respond to you ever is to point out again how incredibly wrong you are about everything.
You go on to say things about how I am terrible to my wife and children when you have no idea what is going on in my home. If you don't like that I don't have a job that is in fact your problem. If you don't like that you think I am "living on your dime" I don't care about that either. I will go on doing what I am doing. You will have no impact on that. And still don't.
But please continue your onslaught. As much as I find it entertaining it will be every bit as entertaining when you are finally in court for libel.
Then the real fun will begin. :)
VTV:
I am not "RAGED" or in any way emotionally effected other then being slightly amused.
Another thing that makes me laugh and further proves you know nothing is your comments about how I am "lifting from MattG". I am not even sure what you mean. But I was doing internet radio before he ever came into the picture. And am still doing it long after he left. MattG and I have never worked on any radio project together as far as our shows. He had a show on the same network I did at one point but I never took anything from him.
You keep making up all these "theories" and "opinions" but they are not based in facts. And my sole reason for responding is to point this out. Every time you post you post more nonsense.
You still know nothing. Yet you spend so much time spouting nothing. But what's odd about it is that you actually believe it.
And yes, I know you would rather not meet me. The extent of your courage is limited to making up lies on the internet. Like most trolls.
VTV:
Oh and you want to call child protective services on me? That's just great. Bring it on. I have nothing to hide. You are making the harassment case I have against you bigger and bigger every day. Please do. I can't wait.